good morning. and welcome to "this week." courting disaster. >> i don't want to pull anything on the table. i don't want to take anything off the table. >> with the default deadline just four days away, the government is still shut. washington stuck. and the any, your money hangs in the bans. will house republicans rally or revolt? and if we go over the cliff, what happens next? this morning all of the breaking details about the high-stakes negotiations, from congress to the white house. then, nsa leaker edward snowden resurfaces and hollywood takes on julian assange. >> this is information the world needs to know. >> the wikileaks founder responds live from his london

hideout. all that, plus the powerhouse roundtable. and that nobel prize stunner here today. all of you are telling us and all of the evidence coming in this week is proving that point. government now shut down for at least two weeks. americans face the risk of default. right now, hopes for a deal to avert that cat strophe rest with two leaders that haven't always been on speaking terms. starting with abc's chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. jon, the president's talks with speaker of the house collapsed friday. this senate leader negotiation is the only game in town. >> reporter: that's right. it's the only game in town. a game that's not going well. the two men are trying to craft an agreement that would keep the government open and postpone default until november 1st. republicans have given up almost

all of the demands that led to this crisis, major changes to obama care are not even on the table right now. but the talks broke down yesterday, over democratic demands from harry reid to increased spending. reid wants to end most of those spending cuts that were put in place under the sequester as part of this deal. and george, keep in mind that, as these two men hold the key to whether or not this is solved or not, that these two have seen their relations deteriorate so much that they have barely been on speaking terms. >> at the same time, senator mcconnell is sending out signs that he wants a deal. >> reporter: going into these talks yesterday, mcconnell was already preparing for a backlash from the tea party republicans. he gave an interview with a local newspaper in lexington, kentucky, saying that he wants a come-together moment with

democrats. as much as i would rather have a republican president and would rather be the majority leader of the senate, i'm willing to work with the government we have -- not the one we wish we had. mcconnell is willing to crave in most things, but i don't think he's ready to give in to spending cuts. >> jon karl, thanks very much. let's get more on the economic fallout from our business and economic correspondent rebecca jarvis. any sense of how these latest developments are going to go down? >> george, more downside than upside potential. what we saw last week, the market cheering on the news that house republicans had put something on the table as far as the debt limit was concerned, even though it was short term the markets like that, now, when you look at the upside, ahead of the october 17th deadline, you have a 1% potential for upside. 1% upside potential in the markets if it looks like a deal is getting done. but the downside potential is

much more dramatic. ahead of the october 17th deadline, we could see the markets drop 2%, even 3%, if it looks like a deal isn't getting done. but, again, george, this isn't what happens ahead of object 17th. october 17th is d-day. >> and after that all bets are off? >> after that, all bets are off. every bank on wall street has been gaming this out. they have war rooms set up. they're thinking about their exposure to this. we could see a disorderly decline in the markets then, we're talking 500, 600 points of downside as far as the dow is concerned. >> rebecca jarvis, thanks very much. now, from the congress, three very distinct perspectives. republican senator lindsey graham, democratic congressman keith ellison and republican congressman raul labrador. leader among house conservatives. senator graham, let me begin with you, you were working on a deal with democrats and republicans in the senate, it seemed to collapse yesterday, shot down by the democratic leader harry reid.

right now, is there any deal that could get through both houses of congress and signed by the president? >> i don't see one. if you break the spending cap you're not going to get any republicans in the senate. what i'm worried a deal comes out of the senate, that compromises speaker boehner's leadership. when this is over, do we really want to compromise john boehner leader of the house? i don't think so. understanding that defunding obama care and delaying for a year is not a realistic possibility now. >> that's a pretty high bar. let me bring that to congressman labrador, the democrats have been absolutely clear that's not going to happen, you don't have a majority for that. >> you know, it seems strange and we're four days away from breaching the debt ceiling. we gave the president a pretty good offer.

the offer is we would actually extend the debt ceiling without any requirement for six weeks. we can continue negotiations on the debt and continue negotiations on the continuing resolution. the actual budget and the actual spending bill that we need to do. i don't see why the president is not accepting that and why he's not working with us. i think it's been very difficult to work with him, he wouldn't even come to the table to negotiate. now that he's coming to the table, he rejected two offers. i thought that the house offer was a pretty reasonable one. i'm surprised that he also rejected the senate offer. >> well, i mean, it's very simple, we can negotiate and talk all we want to after we reopen the government. as a matter of fact, we can open the government and can have any kind of discussions over anything they want. we got to reopen the government and pay america debts. let's not forget, george, this whole thing started when republicans say we want to delay, repeal the affordable

care act, which gives millions of americans insurance reform and access to health care. including about 200,000 in idaho. and now, they're saying -- unless we stop all that, then they're not going to open the government and that's not realistic. >> let me bring that to senator graham, you just said that's unrealistic, senator graham, to exhibit any changes in obama care. so, how can you convince house republicans like congressman labrador right here, that there could be some kind of agreement that doesn't include that. give democrats most of what they want. >> at the end of the day, i really do believe that the democrats have moved the goalpost twice in the senate. we're in a free-fall as republicans. but democrats are not far behind and after listening to all of us talk, now probably understand why 60% americans want to vote all incumbents out.

to my colleagues in the senate, we're ruining both institutions. it's unrealistic to expect us to defund or delay obama care by shutting the government down. but the fight on obama care is far from over. after this mess is behind us, obama care will be a liability for democrats and the government shutdown we can survive if we're smart. paul ryan is working on a plan that could start in the house, that i think would be, involving very good government proposals, to prevent future shutdowns. in terms of correcting the problem and quite frankly putting every member of congress in the same plan. on the same terms as all americans. i hope that would come from the house -- >> let me bring that to congressman ellison. >> it's better to start in the house. >> congressman ryan has talked about perhaps relieving some of the pain of the sequester in terms of entitlement reforms, can democrats accept that? >> well, it's all about details. let's see. we can't say -- i cannot support saying that we're going to diminish and lower social

security in exchange for -- i don't know -- anything. i mean, these folks who exist on that are already on meager amounts of income, so we're not going to inflict more pain on them. it's all in the mix. let's reopen the government. let's pay america's debts. but it will be us giving and taking and them giving and taking. not a situation like we have now, which is, we will stop inflicting pain on america if you get rid of health care which brings insurance reform and access to millions of americans. we can't do that. >> congressman labrador, if the government is opened again, extends the debt limit deal for several months, it's not the kind of deal that majority of republicans, will there be retaliation against speaker boehner from house conservatives if he schedules that vote? >> i don't think so. first of all, whatever passes the house of representatives is going to have the majority of house.

keith said he wants us to reopen the government. he wants us to go ahead and vote on the debt ceiling. but he's unwilling to talk about what he's willing to negotiate on. he's unwilling to tell you what things he'll be working on remember when -- >> it's your job, raul. >> no. remember when the president said he was for change in cpi. social security. every democrat in congress -- every single democratic senator said they wouldn't do it. this is the problem that we have. any time we talk about entitlement reforms, democrats will only do it if we raise taxes. every time we talk about the real spending problem, if you look at obama care, the president and his administration have given exemptions to their friends, to businesses, and all we're asking is to give the same exemption to the american people. i don't think that's too much to ask for. >> we can talk about all of these things once we reopen the government and pay america's

debts. improve the affordable care act and there are things that i propose that we do to improve even so-called entitlement reform. what if we negotiated drug prices as opposed to just locked in and let the pharmaceutical industry charge what they want. that's thing that i could do. there are numbers of things that we could do but we cannot do it under the gun as we are now. >> we just offered you a six-week extension of the debt limit. >> six weeks is no good. you want to do this again in six weeks? raul, that's crazy. >> i want to take one final question to senator graham. >> it looks like we're almost there. >> you got democrats and republicans right there. >> i can see a bill coming together. >> tension between senate republicans and house republicans. i was struck by this tweet. by robert costa. the political dynamic now between house rs and senate rs. is tense. senator rs feel like cantor.

to sand strong is a middle finger. >> the truth is, we started down the road with unrealistic expectations. the government has shut down, obama care is still up but not running very well. what breaks my heart is that, for the last 12 days you have had a complete meltdown of the portal called obama care, the whole system is just not working. and we're overshadowing how badly obama care has been rolled out. but, as between the house and the senate, we really do share a common goal of trying to replace and repeal obama care over time. we never had the leverage through the shutdown to repeal or replace. that was unrealistic. our democratic friends keep moving the goalpost in the senate, thinking they're winning. my belief is, paul ryan should lead this effort with john boehner to pass something out of the house that doesn't delay or defund be would be good government. but as between house and senate republicans, the sooner this over the better for us guys and

to our democratic friends, you own obama care, and it's going to be the political gift that keeps on giving. so, the shutdown will be old news next year. obama care's faults will be front and center in 2014. if we don't screw this up. >> that will have to be the last word this morning. >> thank you, george. >> those interviews just moments ago. now to the roundtable. peggy noonan, david plouffe, dan senor, and paul krugman. welcome to all of you. peggy, let me begin with you, senator graham didn't sugar-coat it all, they're ruining both institutions. yet, there doesn't seem to be a way out? >> yeah, it's fascinating that nobody seems to know where this thing goes and how it ends. i mean, it is a crisis, normally people have a sense of it. i think lindsey graham was very

correct when he said we all be better off and the republicans will be better off when this particular shutdown ends. i think, look, people don't like these things. they like it when government works. both parties suffer when stuff like this happens. but the essential point that nobody knows where this goes is the great mystery of this battle. >> and we're getting so close, paul krugman. and republicans do seem to be trying to negotiate, led by mitch mcconnell. >> first of all, i think it's important, it's not exactly october 17th. if we wake up thursday morning and they haven't defaulted yet, that was a false alarm. >> it could hurt before october 17th. >> yeah, probably not. it probably runs -- it may well run a few more days.

but the point is, thi is very close. we're very close to the edge. the democrats, the thing that you get, always from them, is their basic principal, we don't give anything under the threat of extortion. the republicans want a fig leaf and that fig leaf has to involve, we got something for our extortion. much more than the details of the budget is a stumbling block, whatever happens, the democrats say, you lift the extortion threat, then we negotiate. as long as the debt ceiling is still in play and the government shutdown is still a condition for other stuff it's not a deal. >> dan senor, you have been a close adviser to paul ryan, the congressman, former vice presidential candidate, his experience this week points at the dilemma. he comes forward with a plan, unacceptable to democrats, yet he gets hammered by his own side. >> right, he gets hammered in the blogosphere. but house consecutives have been behind him. what he's saying, he's calling the president's bluff.

he said, look, we need to get through this period, mr. president. let's agree on reforms that you have been for, you know, increasing contributions of federal employees. these are all proposals that were in the president's budget 2014. you said you want these things. you say you want to do real reform. it's not as massive as savings as paul would have preferred. but he's telling the house republicans, let's call the president's bluff. >> david plouffe, you worked closely with president obama. he thinks that the consequences of negotiating are even more severe than the consequences of actual default, does he really mean that? >> well, obviously, he takes the threat of default seriously. after what we went through in 2011, we got this close to default, no president wants to do this again. we have to take the threat of default off the table.

reopen the government. the question is right now, i do think that there's a possibility of something coming out of the senate that could get 70, 75 votes, but if boehner insists doing this with most of his caucus, i don't think the tea party is capable of reopening the government. i think the notion that this going to be easily solved this week. >> my son said, i have been writing, republicans made a mistake, they picked a fight. they had no strategy, they had no endgame, they had no plan. that's what it is, it was a mistake. that having been said, i think the president has made countermistakes. not only in the famous stories of the things that we're forcibly shut down. in the shutdown and all that stuff. but the sense that he's communicated, hey, i'm not having a conversation, we're not having negotiations. presidents have to negotiate on

debt limits. they have to own it. we have all seen -- we have worked in white houses. we have seen presidents do this. you call what the other side does to you extortion. but it really is an argument, and a deal and attend, you trade some horses. >> nothing like this has ever happened before. all of the alleged former examples -- there was a budget deal that included a debt ceiling raise. the debt ceiling wasn't a hostage or once -- once -- tip o'neill held up the debt ceiling for one day as symbolism. there was never before a case where one party pushed the u.s. government to the edge of default. demanding concessions in return. every attempt to make this sound business as usual, this is not. this is out of the experience. >> it is more heightened but it's still part business as

usual because it takes place within the context of an american president having to deal with the reality around him. opposite party having to deal with the fact that he has the presidency, he has the executive, make the deal. >> political reality here as well, pretty striking, "the wall street journal" poll, i want to go through some of the numbers right here. it shows the republican party taking much of the brunt. 53% blame the republicans. the view of the republican party, 24% positive right now. according to the pollsters of "the wall street journal." 24% positive. only 14% of the country thinks we're going in the right direction right now, and as lindsey graham cited early, 60% of the country would replace every single member of congress. dan senor, republicans taking a fall greater hit, don't they have to figure out a way to end this dynamic? >> absolutely. there's no doubt that this damaging to the republican brand, that said, a year from

now, this will have long resolved and i don't think voters will be talking about this shutdown and the dysfunction. what people will be talking about is the failed implementation of obama care. there are very few house seats that are really in play. tiny percentage of republicans members in districts that president obama won. there are six democratic seats that need to be defended. so, the feel both in the house and senate is much more favorable to republicans. i think this is a bad moment for republicans. i think it will pass. i think the feel the history of the party out of the white house winning -- >> i want to say something about that. the obama care thing will also be long passed. they messed up the software for the federal version of it. but we have the exchanges working fine in most states. california has a functional exchange. if you can do it for 30 million people, you can do it for 300 million.

so, obama care will be working fine. >> another threat of what you just pointed out, when i look at these deals being negotiated right now, a four-month extension of the government funding resolution, a six-month extension of the debt limit. david plouffe, i look at that and say, this is not going to be over from a year from now. if predicated on long-term budget negotiations, aren't we going to be back in the same place? >> we can completely destroy the economy around the holiday seasons. it makes no sense. and we got to remember, we're already at republican budget levels. this was not a budget discussion, peggy, this was -- they wanted to inject health care into the debate. i think these numbers are damaging in the long term for republicans. i think you have to understand, they're facing already fatal demographic numbers.

and you add this into the mix here, you've got suburban women, are really souring on the republican party. for their politics, listen, america needs a functional -- a functioning republican party again you're seeing that sense of frustration really growing. those commonsense people who want to govern not destroy the government will have their voices raised. >> the governors are key. everywhere you go among republicans, they start talking about what's happening in washington, the house and the senate and then they go, our governors are great. indeed, there's much excitement there and i think the future of the party, 2016 is there. paul, i got to tell you, i don't think i disagree with your point on obama care, i think for the next year, as dan said, it's going to be a big wound. there's too much connecting to it that's going to be a constant grind of tension. one thing, congress passes things and they get special benefits and american people

don't get it. >> that's not true. the main point is that software -- >> it's more than software. >> they have them stitched together web platforms. for the department of justice, health and human services, in order to make this enrollment work. it's a technology disaster. the architect of the website said in march, we'll be lucky if this thing doesn't look like a third world experience. >> the thing is, again -- >> a state with more than 30 million, has a perfectly functioning exchange, that says this is doable. that says they'll fix it. >> i can't imagine. >> to david's point on the republican brand, the changing demographics, again, i think the house will stay in republican hands. i think it's a toss-up in terms of where the senate winds up in 2014. you look at 2016, you look at the people thinking about

running, chris christie, is going to have a double-digit win next month. susan martinez, governor of new mexico. scott walker, i mean, the idea that republicans, who are actually working on things are somehow damaged by all of this chaos in washington -- >> we got to take a minute left. quickly around the table, is there a deal before thursday's deadline, do the consequences of default start to kick in? >> i think there's no better than 50/50. the country needs to prepare that this could go on for a while. >> i think the house is nervous, the senate is nervous, and the white house is nervous. nobody knows how this end or exactly when. but there will be great pressure to clean this up especially if damning polls continue to come out. >> it's no better than 50/50. the positive 50 comes entirely from the likelihood that the markets are going to say

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human beings' lives are at stake. >> what about the lives of the soldiers and the civilians involved in these conflicts? guess what, i'm reporting civilian casualties. countless incidents of friendly fire, this is information that the world needs to know. >> the scene from "the fifth estate." new movie tracking the complicated story of wikileaks founder julian assange. he's taken some shots at the film. abc's linsey davis sat down with the actor to talk about that challenge and why he accepted the part. >> reporter: until now, british actor benedict cumberbatch has been recognized in the bbc's "sherlock." and most recently, he's captain kirk's nemesis in

"star trek: into darkness." quite a departure from his starring role in the new film "the fifth estate." as wikileaks founder julian assange. >> attempting to criticize the messenger is to distract from the power of the message. >> reporter: playing assange is complex enough. the same whistle-blower was opposed to the movie. >> the difficulty was trying to portray him as a three-dimensional human being. not vilify him or glorify him. >> reporter: so you reach out to him trying to get a fix on his character and how does assange respond? >> he slammed the door pretty quietly, but pretty firmly. >> reporter: an e-mail written to cumberbatch from assange -- in which he says, i believe that you're a good person, but i do not believe that fill system a good film. by meeting with you, i would

validate this wretched film and endorse the talented but debauched performance that the vipt will force you to give. >> the story and his character and this particular moment in time was needed, wikileaks achieved great, great things. i think the film celebrates that. i think it's far more diversive than the perspective he feared it would be. >> reporter: how do you play a man that refuses to meet you? >> it's hard. you have to make leaps of faith and you have to connect the dots. >> reporter: you have said before, we're all citizens of democracy, how aware of you are the snowdens and the issues that surround this debate? >> very. we're living in a time, in order to fight terrorism, we're

eroding civil liberties at a rate that's alarming. it's difficult. i think it needs to debate. >> reporter: debate precisely what he believes the fifth estate will provoke. >> this is information that the world needs to know. >> reporter: for "this week," linsey davis, abc news, new york. >> the fifth estate is be distributed by touchstone pictures and with that, let's continue the debate. let's turn to julian assange. you heard benedict cumberbatch there, he said that he tried to glorify nor vilify you. celebrate the great things that wi wikileaks has done. do you accept that? >> well, mr. cumberbatch wrote me a charming, very polite letter and with genuine concerns about the nature of the script being used in that film. he's reported to have said to "vogue" and to "the guardian,"

that he had fights with his director, who wanted to present me as a quote, cartoon batty, that was mr. cumberbatch's words. but of course, he's under a contract and he's limited to what he can say in the film. i do know that he tried to enumerate some of the worst elements of the script. but, unfortunately, with limited success. >> what is your biggest complaint of the film? >> well, i don't know where to begin, we released the whole script well before this happened. there was no approach to us by dreamworks, other than an informal approach, by benedict cumberbatch just days before shooting began. this is a film that is based upon my life's work, the work of my organization, we have people in extremely serious situations,

sarah harrison who companied edward snowden out of hong kong now effectively in exile in russia because of the terrorism investigation here. jeremy, an alleged media source. to 25 media organizations. an ongoing grand jury investigation. what are the responsibilities for ethical filmmaking in that context? none of the suggested changes that we sent to participant media ended up even in the final text of the film. but there's been a big cashing-in that's been going on. >> you mentioned -- >> a rich organization that is -- yeah. >> you mentioned sarah. >> this is a rich organization, dreamworks, that is making a lot of money and is continuing to make a lot of money from this process. but there's no contribution to our defense fund, to the defense

fund of our alleged sources and so on. >> let's move on to sarah harrison, she's with edward snowden. snowden received an award from four american whistle-blowers. harrison, a prime member of wikileaks. she's been with snowden throughout his time in russia. what can you tell about how edward snowden is doing right now? what's next for him and sarah harrison? >> edward snowden is safe. we through a lot of work, and particularly by sarah harrison, managed to gain him asylum in russia after our attempts of russia after our other attempts of gaining him asylum were denied. so, he's safe. he's working to educate people. the journalists involved in these disclosures as to what is

going on, he very rightly received that award from a former nsa/cia, fbi, doj whistle blowers for integrity. it's a serious matter. it's a threat to u.s. democracy and democracy more broadly in the west. to have a surveillance apparatus on every single person would be the dream. of eastern -- >> at the same time, on those revelations of edward snowden came under strong attack from london's andrew parker who called the leaks a gift to the terrorists. nsa chief keith alexeneder said people will die because of the leaks. your response? >> well, we have seen this for 50 years, every time the press embarrasses the security establishment shows they have been acting unlawfully, acting against what they have said to congress or to the media, they

trout out this old -- when we're discussing harm that's happening right now, as a result of these abusive programs. the budget procedure you mentioned just recently, an interesting side effect of that, the national security agency has used the debate in congress to cancel, even its own internal investigation, but the people in the review panel are enumerating. it's quite interesting to see how they -- obama says, yes, we need to have a debate. but at the first instance they can, as soon as there is a distraction, they try and subvert their promises to the public. >> what is next for you, mr. assange? any chance you're going to leave that embassy any time soon? >> well, i would leave this embassy, it's a bit of prison in

some way, but i have good people here, but where would i go to? i would end up in the outside world. where you are. but what is happening to the outside world? that's a much bigger consideration for me and my staff and the 12 different legal actions we have going in different countries. but it's a consideration for everyone what type of place is western democracy going to be? is it going to be a place with a collapsing rule of law with mass surveillance of entire populations? or the practical elements of a totalitarian regime, we don't yet have that. but we're getting pretty close. is it going to cross over into something else? that would be a hard place for an investigation place like wikileaks to work in. it's a hard place glenn greenwald. he's in exile in brazil.

sarah harrison, in exile in russia. edward snowden, asylum in russia. me, asylum here. the best and brightest who hold the government in account, are in asylum or exile in other countries. we have seen it before, dictatorships in latin america and soviet union. >> your fight is going to continue. up next -- a nobel prize surprise. why did chemical weapons inspectors win the peace prize? and what's next for the inspiring runner-up malala? ♪ [ male announcer ] may your lights always be green. [ tires screech ] ♪ [ beeping ] ♪ may you never be stuck behind a stinky truck.

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if they would like to speak against me it's their right. but the thing is, i only want support for my cause of education. it's the right of every girl and every boy. >> the kind of education you were getting they argue is a western education? >> if i want to go to school, and i want to become a doctor, so there would be an eastern doctor or a western doctor? is there a difference in the studies? if i wanted to become a engineer, is there a different way of becoming an engineer? this is education. this is knowledge. it can neither be eastern nor western. >> the young woman so many expected to win the nobel peace prize this week, malala yousafzai. 16-year-old pakistani girl who survived bullets insisting girls

should receive education. it went instead to chemical weapons inspectors for the tough work they do around the work. but first, let's go to abc chief foreign correspondent terry moran in syria. where the winners are doing their most crucial work. good morning, terry. >> reporter: george, there are 28 nobel prize winning chemical weapons inspectors on the ground here in da must kus. they have to locate and destroy syria's entire chemical weapons arsenal, more than 1,000 ammunitions. do it in a few months in the middle of a raging civil war. we met with the team the night they won the prize, they are a close-knit bunch, not without a sense of humor. the chemical brothers they call themselves. but they're under no illusions about this. they themselves are personally target. many of the rebel and jihadist groups in this country don't want them here. they wanted the american military strike that president obama promised. they thought that might help

change the balance of power. in the war and lead them to victory. for many ordinary syrians the work of the chemical weapons inspectors is the work of peace. and they hope that it might offer the chance of a beginning of the end of their long national agony. george? >> thank you, terry. and for more on the nobel peace prize announcement, we're joined by david milibland. thank you both of you for joining us. david, let me begin you, there has been criticism of this choice, do you think it's justified? >> i think they do amazing work. the truth is, they probably wouldn't have gotten this prize if president assad hadn't used weapons. it takes the abuse of weapons -- denies that is to reinforce

their work. >> but there's also a danger. 1400 people were killed with chemical weapons. 120,000 people have been killed in all, 7 million people displaced from their homes and people like me running an organization, like the international rescue committee we're concerned that people think that chemical weapons being agressed the regional conflict. i mean 7 million. think of a country like jordan, a big ally of the united states, 1600 refugees. it's like poland arriving in the united states. it's a massive hit to these >> shiza, how did malala take the announcement? >> she said if i ignore the nobel committee's decision, i already feel like i won, because people all over the world have been sending in love and prayers. so she wasn't expecting it, she said i have a lot of work to do. and that's what she's focusing

on and she's wished the opcw luck in their tremendous task. >> as you talk about the work that malala wants to do, if it -- not getting the nobel prize, was somehow a blessing in disguise, does it help her in her home country? >> she's 16. it's a heavy burden to carry. she carries many burdens already. she has many, many years ahead of her to win the prize. in pakistan, people were hopeful and expecting it. i think it brought the nation together around a cause and it served its purpose with the nomination. >> she said at some point, she could see herself seeking elective office, but what is the focus right now for malala and the foundation? >> for malala it's school and getting back to having some sort of a normal life which also carrying her campaign. to take her campaign forward with her vision which is really getting girls into school and

helping them to be powerful agents of change. >> this is something that you all worked on when you were british foreign secretary? >> yes, it's not a political revolutions that get the headlines. it's the education revolutions that's helping to change lives. and this spirit that's so evident in malala's work, truly inspiring work, is one of great hopes for progress. of course, if you just go back to that syrian crisis, 300,000 kids in lebanon, boys and girls, syrian refugees, with no education. they need ngos to really mobilize. because that's -- if we're not careful, a forgotten and dangerous generation. their potential as a generation is magnificent. but the danger is obviously very huge. >> do you see hope in pakistan now? >> we do. we see -- malala's shooting really galvanized people to get up and say, i denounce

terrorism, i name the groups that have done this attack, which had not been done in the past, and thousands of girls got up and say "i am malala." that was revolutionary. and we see progress. >> maybe back in a decade and see malala as a nobel peace prize winner? i hope so. organizations like the pakistani government, ngos they're mobilizing for education in pakistan. because it's the future of that country. >> big change. thank you both very much. and next, senators get a surprise scolding from their chaplain. >> it's time for our lawmakers to say enough is enough. >> he tells us why in our "sunday spotlight." us why in our "sunday spotlight."

let us pray. >> oh, all right. >> lord, give us strength. but especially to those in congress and let them stop being a bunch of knuckleheads that go on television and say all kinds of nonsense. until you want to smack them across the face with a bag full of quarters and that's change i can believe in. [ laughter ] >> that is "saturday night live's" take of the man in this week's "sunday spotlight." senate chaplain barry black. he unleashed a surprisingly

sharp scolding to those he pastors. abc's john donvan has more. >> look upon with favor on president barack obama. >> you have seen him before, lots of time. >> we praise you, the giver of bountiful gifts. >> reporter: the prayer guy, big ceremonies, he's there. you didn't know his name before this, did you? >> let us pray. >> reporter: until a few days back when the content of his prayers turned to the government shutdown. >> save us from the madness. >> reporter: so that suddenly the prayer's guy is making news. >> i think we have had slow news days, john. >> reporter: that's way too modest, because barry black, that's his name, is a former navy rear admiral, a ph.d. psychologist. and the u.s. senate's 62nd official chaplain. since 1789.

who gets the senate floor a minute a day to talk out loud to god. but lately. >> forgive them for the blunders they have committed. >> reporter: but he's been informing god of some flaws he has seen in lawmakers. like ending the shutdown for the nation's sake and for god's sake -- >> deliver us from the hypocrisy of attempting to sound reasonable while being unreasonable. >> reporter: so, you want them to hear this conversation you're having with god? >> well, the fact that they overhear is just one of the fortituous advantage. of what i do. >> reporter: attend a weekly prayer service with him and they also do bible study together. >> one senator came to me and said, chaplain, i hope our lawmakers are listening because i have been following your prayers very, very closely, for the last four or five days, and

they're really making a difference in my reflections. >> reporter: indeed of the several senators we asked, all said they're good with his recent focus. >> he has the respect of everybody, democrats and republicans. >> i think we're lucky to have barry black. >> when i grow up i want to be just like barry black. >> reporter: but the shutdown continues. during which, the man who prays is not getting paid. you're still showing up? >> that's pretty special. >> right, that's not going to buy the lunch? >> you'll be amazed what it can do for the fish. >> reporter: that tells us what we're praying for here it's called a miracle. for "this week," john donvan, abc news, washington. now, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. this week, the pentagon released the names of six service members killed in afghanistan.

and that is all for us today. thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight and i'll see you tomorrow on "good morning america."

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